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[April 21, page 1396.)

The Amendment moved by Mr. STRACHEY was to leave out “LordLieutenant,” and to insert “ Chairman of County Council.”

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ACCOUNT.) Her Majesty's Answer to the Address of the 25th of February last delivered by, INFANT LIFE PROTECTION BILL (H...]. the Lord Steward (Earl of Pembroke and Montgomery), and read as follows:

The evidence taken before the Select

Committee from time to time to be “I have received your Address praying that I will withhold my consent from so much of the printed for the use of the Members of scheme for the management of the funds con

this House; but no copies thereof to be tributed for the purposes of the Central Welsh delivered, except to Members of the Board by the county governing bodies estab- Committee and to such other persons as lished by the schemes made under the Welsh the Committee shall think fit, until Intermediate Education Act, 1889, for the administrative counties of Cardigan, Carnarvon,

further order.—[No. 48). Merioneth and Montgomery, and for the county boroughs of Cardiff and Newport, and by the county governing bodies established or to be established by schemes under the said Act for SUMMARY JURISDICTION (WHIPPING) the administrative counties of Anglesey, Breck- BILL (H.L.), Now JUVENIFE OFFENDERŚ nock, Carmarthen, Denbigh, Flint, Glamorgan,

(WHIPPING) BILL (H.L.]. Monmouth, Pembroke and Radnor, and for the

Reported from the Standing Committee county borough of Swansea, as refers to Betton's Charity (Schools Account):

without amendment ; Bill to be printed “I will comply with your advice."

as amended.—[No. 49.] VOL. XXXIX. (FOURTH SERIES.]



LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANIES (PAY- author of the code of bills of exMENT INTO COURT) BILL (H.L.].

change and the code relating to the sale Reported from the Standing Com- of goods. The success of those Measures mittee without amendment, and to be afforded considerable warrant for their read 3a on Thursday next.

Lordships accepting this Bill, as also a satisfactory code on the subject with

which it dealt. It would be proposed INCUMBENTS OF BENEFICES LOANS hereafter that this Bill should be referred EXTENSION BILL (H.L.].

to a sub-committee of the Standing Reported from the Standing Com-Committee, who would carefully consider mittee without amendment, and to be all its provisions and no doubt improve read 3a on Thursday next.

in some respects its form and substance, as was done in the case of the two pre

vious Bills. He believed the Bill, if it BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.

became an Act, would be found to be of Standing Orders Nos. XXXIX. and great utility. He had received from XLV. considered (according to Order), many members of the mercantile comand suspended for this day's sitting.

munity expressions of the great use the previous codifications of the law had been, and an earnest hope that this code

might also find its place on the StatuteMARINE INSURANCE BILL (H.L.].

book. LORD HERSCHELL, in rising to move the second reading of the Marine

Read 2a (according to Order); and Insurance Bill, said it was a Bill codi- committed to a Committee of the whole fying the law of marine insurance. It House on Thursday next. was founded upon a Bill which he introduced in 1894. That Bill was very carefully considered by a Committee whom he requested to go into its details and suggest any alterations which might be

ARMY ANNUAL BILL. made in its provisions, and he wished to take that opportunity of thanking those

*THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR Gentlemen representing the interests of WAR (The MARQUESS of LANSDOWNE), the underwriters, average adjusters, and in rising to move the second reading of shipowners, who formed that Committee

the Army Annual Bill, said this was the and devoted a great deal of valuable time Annual Act for prolonging the operato the consideration of the Bill. The tions of the Army Act. The only new Bill aimed at representing as nearly as matter in it was a trifling alteration of might be the existing law relating to the law enabling the Commander-inmarine insurance, leaving to a subse - Chief in India to make the same dequent time such alterations, if any, in legation of power to general officers the substance of the law, as might be commanding the districts into which thought expedient. It was a little more

India was now divided as he made with than a mere statement of the existing regard to previously existing districts. law in this respect, that some points which would have been regarded as Read 2a (according to Order); Comdoubtful had been solved by the pro- mittee negatived; then (Standing Orders visions of the Bill, but they had only Nos. XXXIX. and XLV. having been been so solved where those who repre- suspended) Bill read 34, and passed. sented all conflicting interests were agreed as to the method of solution. He could not, of course, give any guarantee that the Bill as it stood was an absolute reproduction of the existing CONSOLIDATED FUND (No. 1) BILL. law, subject to the modification to which

Read 1a; and (Standing Orders Nos. he had alluded, but he believed it to be so. XXXIX. and XLV. having been susIt was drawn by Mr. Chalmers, the pended) read 2a; Committee negatived ; distinguished draftsman, who was the Bill read 34, and passed.


MUNICIPAL FRANCHISE (IRELAND). of the London County Council with

LORD HERSCHELL asked whether respect to dealing with the water quesHer Majesty's Government intended to tion of London were all before the introduce a Bill to assimilate the muni- House to-day. They all contained the cipal franchise in Ireland to that which one great principle of purchase by the existed in England ?

representative municipal authority *The Earl of RANFURLY: In reply first, by agreement, and, failing that, to the noble Lord's question, I have to by compulsory arbitration. The water say that the present Government is by area of London extended beyond the

means unfriendly to the general County Council area, and in the various principle of such a Bill, but the Govern- Bills it was proposed to give to each out. ment cannot undertake to deal with the side area connected with the company question in the present Session.

concerned certain options. What these

options were and the whole position of House adjourned at a Quarter before the Measures would be best understood Six o'clock, to Thursday next. if he referred to the Report of the latest

important general Committee which sat on this matter---namely, that presided over by the present Home Secretary in 1891. That Committee recommended that power should be given to the Lon

don County Council to expend such HOUSE OF COMMONS.

further sums as might be necessary in

investigating the whole question and Tuesday, 24th March 1896. coming to a conclusion as to the policy

which should be adopted. The Report also set forth that, if the London County

Council should so resolve, they should STANDING COMMITTEE ON LAW, ETC.

have the power to promote a Bill or Bills Ordered, That the Standing Com constituting themselves the responsible mittee on Law, etc., have leave to sit water authority of London, acting this day till half-past Three of the clock, through a Statutory Committee, apnotwithstanding the Sitting of the pointed either wholly by themselves or House.—(Sir James Feryusson.)

partly in conjunction with the Corporation of the City. The Report pointed out that the London County Council, if constituted the water authority, should

be required to purchase the companies' PRIVATE BUSINESS.

undertakings by agreement, or failing that, by arbitration within a fixed period. Lastly, having put on the purchaser the

duty of fulfilling the obligations which LONDON WATER BILLS.

the companies purchased, they had said CHELSEA WATER (TRANSFER) BILL. that, in the event of purchase by this Order for Second Reading read. new authority, power should be given to

it and to the authorities outside the area Motion made, and Question proposed, to negotiate for the purchase by the out“ That the Bill be now read a Second side areas of so much of the works of time.”

distribution as was appropriate to the *MR. J. STUART (Shoreditch, Hox-district of such local authority, of the ton) observed that there were down for right to the supply of water in bulk, and Second Reading on behalf of the London possibly of some sources of supply which, County Council six Water Transfer Bills, with other works of distribution, it might with certain subsequent Motions. As be found practical and advantageous to they all embodied the same principle, he separate from the general scheme. This thought it would be for the convenience Bill was an endeavour to embody this in of the House that the general discussion a Measure before Parliament. Two should take place on the first of these features of the Bills had been specially Bills. [“ Hear, hear ! ”] The Measures commented upon. The first was that,

by the Council's proposals, failing agree-, Government pass theirs, and the moment ment before a fixed date, the property that was done the County Council would on that date became vested in the pur- have to hand over their purchase to the chasers, and the arbitration as to price new authority. The purchase would be proceeded. This had been called taking effected at a time when it was eminently people's property before you had paid for essential, if it was to be effected at all, it (Ministerial cheers), and even taking that it should be. Nay, more, in this it without paying for it. But the fact matter of purchase he had behind him was overlooked that by these Bills the the unanimous opinion of the London County Council became responsible from County Council. that moment for the payment of the full Mr. C. A. WHITMORE (Chelsea) : dividends hitherto paid until the whole The hon. Gentleman has no right to say of the purchase-money had been settled. the County Council are unanimous. Had that arrangement come into force *MR. STUART said he could, if neceslast year the shareholders of the water com- sary, quote a Resolution of the Council panies concerned would have been better directing its parliamentary representaoff than they were. During the interval, tives to oppose the Bills of the water however, they became secure of their companies on the ground that the control income on a better security-vastly of the water should not be in the hands better--the whole rateable value of Lon- of private companies, which was passed don. But the County Council were unanimously.. perfectly willing to modify that arrange- Mr. WHITMORE said members of ment. The second point was as to the the Council had over and over again arbitration clause. A year ago, when publicly stated that they were opposed two of these Bills passed their Second to the purchase of the rights of the priReading, he gave an undertaking on vate companies. behalf of the London County Council *MR. STUART stated that there may that they would, in addition to the have been some members of the Council arbitration clause which the Bill con- who disagreed, but they did not oppose tained, give an instruction that every- the Resolution of the Council, which thing favourable to the case of the was passed unanimously. It was sugpurchasers should be considered by the gested that an adjournment should be arbitrator. The whole matter was sought, to come to some arrangement. threshed out at great length before an But they had tried to come to terms with important representative Committee, the the Government and were willing to County Council formulated a new arbi- adapt their scheme to theirs. However, tration clause which substantially carried as a condition precedent to other conout certain directions of the Committee. siderations, they were called

to It was said that arbitration not under the accept Lands Clauses arbitration. That Lands Clauses Act would not give the was the only way to get their Bills to a water companies all they wanted, and Second Reading. He did not say that therefore would not be fair to them. But this concession would secure for them a the Council had the public to consider as Second Reading. If they were to ask well as the companies. Their interests now for a further delay it could only were not coincident, and it was on the be on the understanding that they were divergence of their interests that the prepared to make that concession. But principle of purchase in these Bills was he and those who acted with him absobased. Why was the Second Reading lutely refused to accept this condition. of these Bills opposed ? Those who Let the House observe what they wished the water in private hands would were asked to do—to give away the consistently oppose them. But there whole of the ratepayers' case, to give the was more powerful opposition from the companies the whole of their demands, Government, who had introduced a Bill without investigation or a Committee to seeking to establish a new water autho- take evidence or hear arguments. The rity which would take over all the powers case was simply this: “Accept the as to water which are now in the hands companies' terms or lose your Bills.” of the London County Council. Let the The Government might say these County Council pass its Bills and the requirements arose, not so much from


Mr. J. Stuart.

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